Most of the ones I've interacted with.

The undecided voters who keep finding reasons that the appeasement isn't good enough?

That's the 3 blocks

Where?

A hypothesis worth considering to be sure, but let's not be hasty

No, just browbeating anyone who thinks the genocide wouldn't get worse under the worse candidate

Homie, I do not control who the DNC fields. I am basing my strategy on the facts of the situation as they are presented to me. Where's your popular candidate?

Correct, but your ballot helps Trump win nonetheless.

This feels like kink-shaming

Imagine winning over 25 races, placing higher than some of the most prominent racehorses of your time, going on to be an important sire, and you're still best known for your name being Potatoes but spelled funny

The whole industry is hanging by a thread

Brace yourselves, here come the 3rd amendment absolutist nutjobs.

all I can do is try and help by telling her what will get mine and apparently other votes.

Are you doing the legwork of telling her directly?

the past shows the democrats run to the right and lose.

You must be looking at a different past than the rest of us.

I've only made a single claim on how others will act

Your entire premise is that your choice will cause a candidate to alter their behavior

my vote is here for the taking. its a shame she couldn't check a single box on my list.

I'd wager she checks quite a lot of them, when considering the alternative. Status quo is not ideal, but it is better than marked backsliding, which is what you're gambling.

trump wont be able to take them away by himself

Uh, yeah. The entire problem is that there is a broadly successful campaign to install federalist cronies across as many seats as possible. Supreme Court, lower courts, EPA, USPS, DoE, everything. They published it. He's not by himself.

more important to me than the 40k people already murdered and million + put at risk by the biden admin inability to have a spine.

Which is different than the entire history of the state of Israel how? Your alternatives are an unbroken trend of spineless opposition, and enthusiastic support. I do not consider enthusiastic support to be an acceptable risk in my electoral stratagems.

sorry but the deaths are the greater evil.

The deaths will not decrease under the alternative evil, in fact they will most certainly increase under the other evil. That would by embarrassingly simple logic make that alternative the greater evil, and the evil in question the lesser evil. Who was it that just said Biden was being too tough on Bibi?

Sure, let's go down this line of reasoning. You appease the 3 blockers, and lose 10 blocks in the process. Now the Dem tower is 41 and the GOP tower is 59. Objectively a bad trade. What incentive does that provide?

Let's build some towers out of blocks and see whose is biggest!

The Dem tower is 48 blocks tall. The GOP Tower is 49 blocks tall. The 3rd party tower is 3 blocks tall. That 3 block tower isn't enough to win, but if they stacked onto the Dem tower, that's the difference between 4 years of status quo and 4 years of fascism.

we call this 'enabling' and its bad. if my friend goes and murders someone in cold blood I don't go 'oh well they're my friend' I fucking turn them in so they can get the help they clearly need.

Unfortunately, elections are a popularity contest, not a morality test. It doesn't matter what's right, it matters what enough voters in the right states approve of.

She can’t get those easy votes without losing votes from moderate Israel-supporters.

No one is asking her to not protect israel.

This reflects her stated position, but here you are saying it's not good enough.

Well then your actions are irrational because they do not help accomplish your goal, despite your fantasies to the contrary.

thats, like, your opinion man. all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

It must be a strange sensation seeing it from the other side. Your entire strategy is based on assumptions about how others will act. The difference is that your assumptions are based on pure unsupported fantasy, while mine are based on historical evidence.

Eh, she needs enough votes. She doesn’t need yours specifically. If she can’t get yours, she’ll shill to moderates to get theirs, because strategically that’s much smarter than alienating a large, reliable bloc in order to gain a portion of the much smaller, much less reliable bloc you represent.

you actually don't know that. and neither does she. shes just scared as are you.

thats, like, your opinion man. all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

they weren't willing to do shit a year ago because they didn't need the votes. now is the time to give them permission.

thats, like, your opinion man. all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

not my fault harris is floundering for votes. I can't help that shes committed to a platform that has historically low approval and is unwilling to commit to anything not even a bar as low as 'not commiting genocide' shrug.

all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

if she had a solid platform she wouldn't be floundering.

all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

I can't do anything about that except clearly broadcast my expectations to the democratic party. which i'm doing daily. you are of course free to do nothing. but harris needs votes to win and I'm letting her know how to get mine. balls in her court.

all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

Sure, hold your nose, and when Trump wins you can snuggle say you didn't directly vote for him, it's not your fault LGBT people are getting carted off to camps, it's not your fault women are legally considered breeding stock, it's not your fault Palestine is a sheet of glass, it's not your fault we pulled aid from Ukraine and sent it to Israel. Harris should have done more to seduce you into supporting human rights, it's her fault you helped the greater evil.

pretty low bar shes failing to step over to get some easy votes.

Israel is an ally. She can't get those easy votes without losing votes from moderate Israel-supporters. If those moderates outnumber the view she could get, she winda up with a smaller total. Why would she do that?

And you're correct no one can compel me to vote rationally. the funny thing about acting rationally is that the definition of rationality is that it depends on the goal. My goal is to get harris to commit to upholding our laws on not selling to genocidal maniacs like bibi.

Well then your actions are irrational because they do not help accomplish your goal, despite your fantasies to the contrary.

Harris needs my vote (and others) to do so.

Eh, she needs enough votes. She doesn't need yours specifically. If she can't get yours, she'll shill to moderates to get theirs, because strategically that's much smarter than alienating a large, reliable bloc in order to gain a portion of the much smaller, much less reliable bloc you represent.

just like she needs my vote to protect all those groups you mentioned, which if she was committing to a policy that endangered them I'd do the same thing.

Again, doesn't need yours, just enough. You can be part of that "enough", or force her to look elsewhere.

first they came for the palestinians, but I was not a palestinian so I didn't speak out.... seem familiar?

How exactly are the Palestinians, or the other minorities down your slippery slope, supposed to benefit by Harris losing? Harris is in a complex quagmire restricted by geopolitical red tape and AIPAC funding. The other guy loves Bibi and wants to help him finish the job.

so email your critters let them know you support a embargo on israel

Done, like a year ago.

and that you want harris to make a commitment in the next week and if she does you have my vote and likely 40K minimum more in a swing state. worry about the zionists another day they'll be fine. all you need to do is give harris permission. go forth and do so, repeatedly daily for the next week.

This is pure nonsense. On multiple levels. I'll leave you to your delulu

have you done the leg work of letting your congress critters know you don't support biden or harris on israel and that we need to implement an arms embargo?

Yes.

I will continue to advocate people vote with their conscience. because I have done the work.

And you don't understand electoral strategy, clearly. My conscience won't allow me to sit aside while the fascist party wins, increases support of Israel, and spearheads genocide at home and abroad.

Of course I would prefer a candidate that aligned perfectly with my ideals and stood a chance of winning. There is not one. The only rational voting strategy is to select whichever of the viable options is less bad. In this election, that is undeniably Harris.

This game of chicken you're playing has literally never worked. Harris will not pivot of Palestine because you and a bunch of terminally online performative leftists. They'll go to the middle to find moderates if they need to.

No one can compel you to vote rationally, but I will continue to remind you and the people that make the same ineffective argument: if you "win" and Harris loses, things get considerably worse for women, minorities, LGBT, Ukrainian and, yes, even Palestinians.

Neo-libs in a messy connection with AIPAC are by no means perfect, but they are objectively better than the fascists who live Netanyahu and want to help him finish the job in Palestine and nuke Iran. The only people claiming different are those same fascists, and their useful idiots.

Yes, Lemmy, predominantly leftist

a platform of predominantly leftists. Now, many of those leftists are capable of critical thinking, so they don't just parrot every half-baked idea they hear just because the person saying it claims to be an Authentic Communist™.

We're not talking about a platform of entrenched pro-genocide centrists, we're taking about a platform of predominantly leftists. Now, many of those leftist are capable of critical thinking, so they don't just parrot every half-baked idea they hear just because the person saying it claims to be an Authentic Communist™.

As to who it's supposed to convert, that much is also obvious to any leftist with critical thinking skills: impressionable young idealists. Get them to refuse to support the "pro genocide centrists" out of a noble sense of justice, and the pro-genocide fascists clinch the win. Putin wins, Netanyahu wins, the military industrial complex wins, and those poor schmucks think they stuck it to the man while the fascists laugh their way into the White House.